8.04.2006

Where Have I Heard That Before?

Dear Miss Snark,

I have an idea for a novel or screen play, and I'm so excited about it that I'm just about to begin putting pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard).

I can visualize the story so vividly in my mind that I'm a bit concerned that maybe I've read or seen it somewhere before. I think it's my very own story, but perhaps I didn't think it up after all.

What's the best way for a writer to check that he or she isn't unwittingly stealing someone else's idea?

Thanks very much for your blog. It's a really excellent part of my daily reads. Oh wait, maybe someone else has already told you that. Damn, maybe I've stolen this idea as well! :)


Steal away.
You can steal every idea in the book and be ok.
What you can't steal are the words.

You can steal the idea of doing a blog about publishing.
You can't steal my actual posts to this blog.

You can steal the idea of star crossed lovers come to a bad end.
You can publish it as Romeo and Juliet, then West Side Story.

You can steal the idea of an aging patriarch confronting his mortality and his daughters.
You can publish it as King Lear and then A Thousand Acres, and then Belly.

Try to write as well as Jane Smiley or Lisa Selin Davis and you're good to go.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Fiction is synthesis. Take every book you've ever read, combine it with everything you've ever experienced, and jot it down using every word you've ever loved. That will be original work, guaranteed.

bookfraud said...

"immature writers imitate, mature poets steal." you can turn romeo and juliet into west side story, and shakespeare ripped off of his plots from secondary sources.

i have had a friend's idea stolen -- she had a specific structure and narrative for her grad-school novel, only to see a supposed friend (who she had confided in) write a book with the exact same structure and plot.

but that's different than stealing old plots, structures, or such. you can even take famous characters and reinvent them. it's not like robin williams stealing jokes.

though i am so paranoid, i rarely tell others about what i'm working on...

Ryan Field said...

I had an agent tell me one of my books reminded her of something that had already been published. She mentioned the title and I searched it for a day to see if she was correct. I found nothing at all that remotely resembled it. I also knew it was completely original.

Stealing doesn't work; so many television shows have tried to steal the concept of American Idol and they are all painful flops.

C.E. Petit said...

One caution (and I'm explaining what the law is, not what it should be):

Copying ideas is fine… unless and until you cross the border into California. Getting inspired by a film to create something new is ok, but taking a film's structure (if that's the "idea") as the foundation for a written work could prove dicey. And if you're dealing with Hollywood in any fashion, "ideas" do count. Under California law, the only real winners are the lawyers, because any dispute (even if it never becomes a lawsuit, let alone if it does) is going to result in alpha-male-gorilla posturing at several hundred dollars an hour.

Don said...

There's some weirdness in the movie industry where people can (and do) sue for having their ideas stolen. My brother the TV writer claims that it's not exactly like having copyright on your ideas but from the outside it sure seems like it.

DAVID THAYER said...

Belly was a great book: King Lear in upstate New York.

Sha'el, Princess of Pixies said...

Bill E: Hey, Mistress! Do I have a great idea for a novel noir.

Me: Novel Noir?

Bill E: Just listen. There're these three brothers, see? And they're tough but honest. In the old west they'd have been lawmen with shady reps. ....

Me: Reps? Oh, reputations. ...

Bill E: Just listen, will ya? But this is set in Pennsylvania. And there's this guy, they call him the troll because of his Internet habits, and he guards the portal of the favorites.

Me: Miss Nelson thinks portals are passe...

Bill E: Don't be silly. Portals are never passe. Besides, this is a regular door, got it? But it's to a disco. You're admitted and you're on your way to fame and fortune.

Me: And they can't get in, so they head butt him and cross the bridge? I mean go in? And the oldest and meanest of the brothers chants:

Well, come along! I've got two spears,
And I'll poke your eyeballs out at your ears;
I've got besides two curling-stones,
And I'll crush you to bits, body and bones.

Right?

Bill E: How'd you know? Seriously, how did you know?

Elektra said...

I give you Example A: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060846267/sr=8-1/qid=1154718624/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8102315-9413414?ie=UTF8

Daisy said...

On the other hand, if you're just trying to avoid coming off as derivative, you could always try searching the plots at IMDB for a couple of keywords. Or going to some pop-culture focused message board and posting something like, "I'm trying to remember the name of a movie about a guy who loses his nose and goes on a cross-country trip to look for a replacement. Anybody know what that was called?" If it exists, they'll tell you.

Anonymous said...

"There is nothing new under the sun."

Even writers do not create, they just discover. -JTC

The Rejected Writer said...

JTC, you forgot the second part of that quotation: "Everything is chasing after the wind."

Words to live by.

Sha'el, Princess of Pixies said...

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Snarkaholic said...

"There is nothing new under the sun."

That is such horseshit. Steaming, fragrant horseshit used as an excuse by people who can't think of something original.

There are plenty of new things to write about every day. All you have to do is pay attention to find them.

Nick said...

Sometimes "innovation" means "stealing another's secret before anyone else can."

Irony bonus: I copied that phrase from a trading card.

-Nick

Battlerocker said...

Originality operates only as a place holder, identifying the future location of history’s next great plagiarism. Listen to the Wise One and "steal away."

Richard Lewis said...

It is a truth universally acknowledged, that stately plump bucks, are often called Ishmael.

McSwilligans said...

How can anybody seriously say there aren't any new ideas? Where did all the ideas that are currently recycled at one point come from? Somebody at one point created them. So did all of a sudden, we collectively lost the ability to create? A thousand years from now there will be nothing new?

Give me a break!

Anonymous said...

"There are plenty of new things to write about every day. All you have to do is pay attention to find them."

FIND them? You make my point well, snarkoholic. -JTC

snarkaholic said...

I don't mean you go out overturning rocks. You find the ideas within yourself, in your mind. It's an internal process. Like that other guy said, do you really think nobody today is able to create anything original?