12.17.2006

That's it for today

30 today. Less tomorrow given it's an actual work day and Killer Yapp is going to go hang out witht Santa and dish the dirt with the elves.

We're at 140. 547 to go. We ARE going to be here till Christmas!

If you're sending non-crapfest questions, you're being ignored till we're done.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

I admire your commitment, but this has gotta be torture for you, snarko. My advice: do another 100 max by lottery. Those who don't get critiqued won't need it, since inevitably we will have seen all possible permutations of crap by then if not already. I know I've already seen my errors. The sooner we get to dissecting pages, the better.

MichaelPH said...

I think Miss Snark enjoys this or else she wouldn't make such a time commitment. Or maybe she should be committed. I dunno.
[back to work]

Dave said...

Other than not being able to GLORIOUSLY REVEL in Judith Regan's firing, I'm happy, if you're happy. This has been useful and enlightening. Thanks

KM Staso said...

I just want to say thank you for spending the time doing this for us, Miss Snark! I'm in the 500s, and I look forward to the next few days. I'm learning a lot and I know others are, too!

Anonymous said...

Miss Snark, I salute you. (I'm leaving this as anonymous because I don't want you to think I am sucking up...you've got a whole lot to go before you hit my hook!) I am sure you receive plenty of thanks, but I cannot even begin to express how much I appreciate your suggestions and comments--snarky or not, they're incredibly useful to someone like me who writes genre fiction and works assiduously to avoid not only plots that are overused but also appearing, in a hook or query, to be recreating an overused plot!

Anonymous said...

I'm okay with this plan too, fwiw.

Ilya said...

I think what had really happened is that you have discovered something here.

Right now it's buyer's market in publishing. In any other industry in the same condition SELLERS advertise.

What crapometer clearly showed that there are a lot of authors out there who are not afraid to make their hook public, it's buyers market after all.

What is needed is a website (preferably part of Publishers Marketplace so I don't have to pay fees twice. :) that authors can put their queries and agents can comment, contact the authors, etc. I'm sure you can come up with features better than I can.

Instead of having a slush pile and accepting queries you can go to the website and search. You can even occasionally leave snarky comments there.

Anonymous said...

Miss Snark, you are amazing! Thank you for your dedication. The fact that you are reading these, and commenting on each and every one is truly admirable. I will just cry if you go to lottery, as has been suggested. On Friday at 8 pm Eastern Time, I could have been sitting in the dark, as I was one of the 100s of thousands victims of the huge windstorm in the Northwest. Instead, I was racing around town with three kids in tow, risking life and limb, searching for a bookstore or cafe with functioning wi-fi. When I finally had a connection, it was several hours later and my number is in the 400s.
So, anyway, I just wanted to give a voice to the side that says, "Take your time Miss Snark, and
I will understand if you have to give up on us, but I really hope you don't."

JPD said...

Thanks MS... I have a hunch that Comcast is going to shut-down my service at midnight tonight, perhaps due to my inability to pay their November charges. (What are these people thinking!)

This has been a fun exercise. I'm number 19 on tomorrow's list and let me thank you again, in advance of your scathing rebuke. I appreciate the time and effort that you've put towards this noble project.

JPD (OUT! Perhaps permanantly, his toes and fingers crossed, twitching nervously as he eyes the clock...)

Elektra said...

If nothing else, this gives me a lot more empathy for agents. I'll be a lot more forgiving of that 2-month query return time in the future...

Heather said...

I must agree with you, anon who doesn't want to go to lottery. I HAVE learned tons from what I've seen already, but I crave seeing my hook assessed by Miss Snark. It's different when it's yours, as they say.

Miss Snark, there are no words to say how grateful I am that you're doing this for us. Whether you go to a lottery or not, know that we all appreciate you.

angie said...

JPD - If you lose your internet access, there's always the library.

Jodi Meadows said...

Thanks so much for doing this! I really admire your dedication and willingness to read all these blurbs. You're awesome!

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Benja Fallenstein said...

Ilya,

Something like this has been tried, more than once. It's failed, because the buyers didn't like it. Below is my take on it, but perhaps you should read an acquiring editor's take on it instead.

Ok, my take: I believe this has no chance in hell of working, because it removes the step where the author has to choose which agents to send their query to. Instead of reading one agent's slushpile, agents would have to read every agent's slushpile -- everything that is posted on the site.

You speak about the authors advertising. Well, authors already have to create an enticing advertisement for their stuff under the current system -- we're on that topic with the present Crapometer, y'know ;-). Sure, authors don't have to pay for it except in postal costs, but if you drive that factor up, you're selecting by who has money instead of by quality or by who's the best fit for which agent. And that doesn't help the agent at all.

All the best,
- Benja

skybluepinkrose said...

This has got to be way tougher than reading slush. With your normal slush pile you can tell at a glance that something doesn't work and reject it in seconds. But with this you have to slog through each entry enough to give a short critique. I've learned how quickly the poorer ones make my eyes glaze over, and I can quit anytime I want. Your stamina is a thing of wonder. And your generosity.

Anonymous said...

A suggestion: Pick a convenient break point--200, 229 (one third), whatever. Pause there and request the pages for the hooks you've liked so far, and go through those.

Put the rest on hold for however long you need to extinguish the flames in your hair. Pamper yourself and Killer Yapp for a while. Then come back and work through another batch.

I know it will suck for the people with high numbers to have to wait. (And it's easy for me to say, 'cause I didn't submit.) But it would suck worse, for all of us, if you burn yourself out.

Anonymous said...

Dear Miss. Snark:

I truly admire what you have been doing and I sympathize with your load. Yet I'm regretfully too selfish to offer to withdraw my hook for critique. Might I suggest that a call be made out to all those authors that have sent in more than one hook to generously withdraw their second or third hooks from review? I think that it is the fair thing to do given your dilemma. From the comment trail, at one point it seemed like one author had submitted no less than 3 hooks. At the time that you thought of the HH, you were generous and let people submit more than one. HOwever, no one could have foreseen your deluge. I think anyone who has more than one hook in would agree that one review is more than fair.

Thanks again.

Anonymous said...

MS, you're obviously so tired you don't know you did 40 today, not 30.

I didn't submit anything, but I am learning a lot. Problem is, I'm not getting anything else done!

Thanks for doing this.

delilah said...

I think it's wonderful what you're doing for these 700 writers and for the thousands more who are learning something by reading these very brave writers' submissions.

Since it's the holidays and people are either off or taking it a little slower, you should do the same.

So what if takes a couple of weeks? What's the rush? I actually enjoyed today's posts more than yesterday's because they weren't so overwhelming.

So enjoy the Christmas season. Your loyal snarklings will be twittering in the rafters, preening their little feathers while they wait patiently for Miss Snark and her precious doggie to return from their visit with Santa.

Dr. Daniel said...

Well, I don't always agree with you, madame, but I must tip the gin pail in your honor. You have shown the patience of Job or is it the madness of Lucifer?
Can't tell, but either way, crikey, what a job!

Anonymous said...

Looks more like New Year's or beyond at this rate--and an amazing rate at that. Miss Snark deserves all sympathy and praise for slogging through this despite the overwhelming and unanticipated response. Thank you, Miss Snark. There has to be a better way. This is gonna kill ya.

Laura Ware said...

Miss Snark, thanks for your time in this! You already rendered judgement on my hook, and the query letters I plan to send out this week will be better for it.

Thank you again. You've picked a gigantic task. New and old Snarklings are grateful.

KingM said...

On Friday at 8 pm Eastern Time, I could have been sitting in the dark, as I was one of the 100s of thousands victims of the huge windstorm in the Northwest. Instead, I was racing around town with three kids in tow, risking life and limb, searching for a bookstore or cafe with functioning wi-fi. When I finally had a connection, it was several hours later and my number is in the 400s.

Great story. Here's hoping your hook rocks.

McKoala said...

Miss Snark rocks.

Anonymous said...

I've got to join the queue and say how deeply I appreciate all of your hard work Miss Snark. It's hard to tear myself away from the blog (studying for finals is overrated), it's so interesting and helpful to read every one of your critiques. You officially have enough good karma to last you a lifetime. Since I'm a firm believer that great things happen to great people, here's hoping it earns you a little time with one Mr. George Clooney...

I also agree with kingm, awesome story, I think it demonstrates how excited we all are to hear our own comments from MS! Good luck!

Elektra said...

I suggest you take a break, starting with number 373

cma allison said...

I'm another NW windstorm sufferer (number in the 500's) who also doesn't want to to burn ourself out, but hopes you don't go to lottery. I'll wait, even past New Year'. Hey, my birthday is the 6th, being critiqued on my birthday, THAT would be quite a gift! Thank-you! Now, go cuddle up with KY and watch a great GC movie!

Hoyt Peterson said...

I am 564 and am afeared of when she gets to mine. I think it's ok when I read it but after reading most of the blurbs on here, I become spineless. Thanks anyway for doing this MS, there isn't a soul on here, posted or not, that won't be able to glean something.

Anonymous said...

"I suggest you take a break, starting with number 373"

Nice, Electra.:)

Mine's close . . . so close!!! *wink*

Xiqay said...

21 no's in a row. just fyi.

wavybrains said...

If you need to stop, I think the idea of stopping, requesting pages and moving forward was a good idea. Asking people to withdraw would just be another email deluge to manage. You can always pull a few crapometer hooks out on slow blog days if you quit at some point. I'm in the mid-300's and while I really want the feedback, I also think you've done an amazing thing and shouldn't have to kill yourself to complete it just because you got way more than you expected. You do what you need to do to keep your sanity. And hat's off to you--I learned a ton this weekend.

Xiqay said...

(adding this belatedly 'cuz I accidentally hit send on my post listing the most-recent-rejections-in-a-row stat).

Learning as much (or more) from the rejections and comments on them as from the winners.

This is like a lovely class in "Reject-Me-Not University" where we turn turkey tofu into delicious meatball stew.

Absolutely love your own deft use of the language, Miss Snark.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

I'd bale out if I were you. You owe us nothing. I'm way down the list, but I've learned oodles - so much that I've completely revised my writing outlookm. The good and bad have been equally instructive.
Happy Christmas

Anonymous said...

This is TREMENDOUSLY helpful. Miss Snark, thank you so much for your time and dedication.

Anonymous said...

Using the self-knowledge I gained from reading the Crapometer I took the liberty of writing a short letter to Pope Benny Joe Rat. Miss Snark is now being considered for sainthood. I'm not so sure about Killer Yap......

Ted W. Gross said...

From someone who did not take part...a note of thanks
Possession, Obsession & Miss Snark

Anonymous said...

A suggestion: Pick a convenient break point--200, 229 (one third), whatever. Pause there and request the pages for the hooks you've liked so far, and go through those.

Put the rest on hold for however long you need to extinguish the flames in your hair. Pamper yourself and Killer Yapp for a while. Then come back and work through another batch.

I know it will suck for the people with high numbers to have to wait. (And it's easy for me to say, 'cause I didn't submit.) But it would suck worse, for all of us, if you burn yourself out.



I agree, this sounds like a good idea. Make a nice change, too.

jeanjeanie said...

My hook's already been posted and assessed, so it's easy for me to say don't knock yourself out, but really. Don't knock yourself out. I believe the vast majority of us will understand and remain grateful if you need to take your time or take a break or even call it quits.

And in case I forgot to say it before: thank you, Miss Snark.

NitWitness said...

Actually, the points about reviewing the submissions at a slower pace is a very good idea.

If we are supposed to be learning from all of this, it takes time to read and absorb the lesson for each review.

I'm in the 460 range. It's no different than waiting for an SASE to come back. That requires patience, which is a learned skill.

Anonymous said...

The only bone I'd pick is that comments like "ha, very funny" or "bingo" aren't too helpful; I've learnt loads but if you're rushing and not being Critical on each one than I think you've taken too much on. People have spent lots of time on these things too yanno.

Anonymous said...

Anon wrote:

"The only bone I'd pick is that comments like "ha, very funny" or "bingo" aren't too helpful; I've learnt loads but if you're rushing and not being Critical on each one than I think you've taken too much on. People have spent lots of time on these things too yanno."

This is totally wrong...and I quote my favorite Madagascar character Alex when he states “You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.”

Enough said read into this however you would like anon but, I believe your being unreasonable and ungrateful given your statement above.

Can you define "FREE?" She is doing this for FREE. You stink!

MWT said...

The only bone I'd pick is that comments like "ha, very funny" or "bingo" aren't too helpful; I've learnt loads but if you're rushing and not being Critical on each one than I think you've taken too much on. People have spent lots of time on these things too yanno.

This sentiment presumes that Miss Snark is somehow obligated to make any comments whatsoever, on any of these. She isn't. Every comment she makes - even if it's just "bingo" (translation: "this one works") - is a gift. Try to see it as such instead of thinking that she somehow owes you something.