5.12.2007

Miss Snark is...clueless!! yes!

Hello,

I was wondering if you could suggest a website where I could get some feedback on the first chapter of my book. I've entered a couple of hook contests, but now I really want to know if my first chapter works. I've posted some things on writers.net, but I'm not convinced that is the best place to get constructive feedback. Any information would be greatly appreciated.


I have not a single clue but I bet people reading this have enough clues for us both.

Snarklings, help us out here!

44 comments:

Don said...

I've been playing around a bit with Critique Circle.

Maya Reynolds said...

If the book is sci-fi, fantasy or horror, the writer can try www.critters.org.

The writer has to be willing to do critiques in exchange for receiving critiques.

The Anti-Wife said...

Try absolutewrite.com's forums:
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/
They have a forum called "Share Your Work". You have to be careful because anyone can critique you, but there are some good people on the board.

Writerious said...

You could try Critique Circle:

http://www.critiquecircle.com/

Or find discussion boards for the type of writing that you do. Sometimes people on these boards will form critique groups or will know of some good ones.

Carla said...

I recommend both www.critiquecircle.com and the Share Your Work forum on the Absolute Write boards (www.absolutewrite.com/forums).

ERiCA said...

I have no idea what genre you write, but Charlotte Dillon runs a (free) Yahoo critique group for romance writers. I cut my teeth on that group, and it was a great experience. You might also try joining an organization like RWA (or whatever flavor for your genre) to find local or online chapters that provide critiquing over the Internet. HTH

AmyB said...

If it's fantasy, science fiction or horror, the Online Writing Workshop is great:

http://sff.onlinewritingworkshop.com/

Smith said...

I've been with this online group for some time: http://www.dreaminginink.com/
I looked for some time before I decided on this one. You have to crit here, but I found that to be an excellent learning experience. They limit the number of members, so you might have to wait. You get a "free" submission in the beginning, and then you have to do 3 crits per submission.
It was there that I found a link to here, in fact.l

Elektra said...

*cough* crapometer.blogspot.com *cough*

LadyBronco said...

I joined www.critiquecircle.com and I have gotten invaluable feedback from everyone who has crted my novel chapter by chapter.

domynoe said...

Dreaming In Ink Writers Workshop (http://www.dreaminginink.com). A free, purposely kept small group. Really cool place to hang out, crit, be critted, and learn.

'Course, I'm a bit biased about it. ;)

McKoala said...

elektra, you beat me to the crapometer...

Rebecca Thomas said...

I've had luck with YouWriteOn

Other members can review you, and you have to earn "review credits" by reviewing others.

OpenChannel said...

I can't quite tell from your post, but have you written more than one chapter? If not, I suggest you write the rest of your manuscript and stop worrying about whether the first chapter is good enough yet. I find so many people "polish their buttons" instead of plowing through that first draft. Don't lose your momentum! Read Bird by Bird by Anne Lamont or On Writing by Stephen King.

Anonymous said...

There's no end to the places to look: FMwriters, critters, and many, many more.

Richard Lewis said...

To the original poster: I'm swamped with two revisions of my own, but what the heck, I'll have a read of the chapter, if you wish. I believe clicking on my name on this post will eventually lead you to a "contact me" address somewhere.

Just this one, though, please.

Conduit said...

+1 for the Crapometer.

Anonymous said...

I'm with writerious. I recommend Critique Circle.

keikomushi said...

I like Critique Circle and Critters personally. If you go anywhere else though - CHECK the fine print. There has to be protection in place for your submission otherwise you might run into theft and also lose other controls over your work. Posting online is often seen as the first electronic rights from what I hear so be careful and know where you stand before you post.

Richard Lewis said...

It appears that clicking on my name on Blogger.com (which I am coming to loath after many trials and tribulations of late) does not lead to a "contact me" address, therefore I guess I don't exist.

But wait, I do live on Google! Like we all do.

(Me, a firm believer in community and the small ways we can all pass it forward)

heidi said...

Everyone's tossed up some great suggestions.

One thing you need to ask yourself is, are you just looking for feedback on chapter one, or are you looking for a more permanent crit relationship?

long-term crit relationships are good if you're looking for feedback on a novel. The feedback focus on a single chapter is not the same as the focus on a full novel. Encluing, character development and plot arch aren't always judgeable in a single chapter.

wordver: less muju

Victoria Dove said...

Another advocate for Critique Cirlce. It's advice has been invaluble to me. But it is a bit of a commitment: In order to submit things to be critiqued, you have to critique at least two things first. And the more people you critique for, the more people will critique for you.

Auntie Penultimate said...

Toasted Cheese (www.toasted-cheese.com) has a great critique forum--and it's snark-themed too, as it's based on Lewis Carol's "The Hunting of the Snark" poem. (Disclaimer: the site is not connected to Miss Snark or her site, other than sharing a love for hunting out and eradicating snark.)

Chris M said...

Thank you so much for all of your suggestions. My novel is an urban fantasy and I've completed the first draft, so I have plenty of work ahead of me. I know that the first chapter needs to be strong, and after reading it over 100 times, I feel like I've lost perspective on whether it's good or not. I would like to find a long-term crit relationship, right now I'm just getting my toes wet. Thank you for your generous offer Richard Lewis, I'll send it to you this week after I've read it over 10 more times. :)

jamiehall said...

I would second those who said the "Share Your Work" forum on absolute write.

Anonymous said...

I've gotten both great and lousy critiques at Forward Motion and Critique Circle (with the lousy ones being a sharp minority, thankfully).

Elektra's Crapometer is one place where I have yet to see anyone give bad advice. The quality of the critiques there is very high.

Kim said...

I would recommend Absolute Write, but don't just post there to get a critique. You might want to offer to critique a few things before asking for someone to crit yours...

Crapometer is a great place as well - you'll get some good feedback there as well.

Good luck!

Eden said...

Writer's Digest's newest Best 101 list is online now. You could look there under "communities."

Anonymous said...

The Internet Writer's Workshop has a critique list for Novels. Good people there. http://www.internetwritingworkshop.com/

Anonymous said...

urbis.com

Anonymous said...

In the Baen's Bar forum, their is a 'slush pile' subforum that, while not directly connected to their real slush pile, has had on occasion their real slush pile readers go on and critique submitted works, in an on-line critique\writers group format.

Only works for Sci-Fi\Fantasy, though. Funny thing, but a lot of the 'cool' things, like the better writing groups (critters, Baen), agents-to-avoid alerts (sfwa.org), etc., seem to revolve around the sci-fi\fantasy writing circles...

Pat Logan said...

Forward Motion has several critique boards. http://www.fmwriters.com

skiffy the rue said...

"Only works for Sci-Fi \Fantasy, though. Funny thing, but a lot of the 'cool' things, like the better writing groups (critters, Baen), agents-to-avoid alerts ( sfwa .org), etc., seem to revolve around the sci-fi \fantasy writing circles..."

Here's a Clue:

Notice that the science fiction writers' org is SFWA, not Sci-FiWA. Calling science fiction sci-fi rather than sf, its proud and ancient moniker, is like calling young black women "nappy-headed ho's." Plenty of ignorant people do it, sure. Some morons even named a TV channel Sci Fi (right--and look at the crap they run cluelessly.) No excuse.

Sha'el, Princess of Pixies said...

crapometer.blogspot.com

Kimi Dreams said...

I have a podcast and am always looking for people to crit on it. I allow you to crit me to so it's not totally biased but I write urban fantasy so I know the genre you are working on.

Please feel free to submit something for review. An example of a crit is in Episode 2 and 3.
www.talechasing.com

Mark said...

Yo on critters. Especially the Turkey City Lexicon. That baby has been invaluable to me. I blitzkrieged the Gather contest with it. They were not amused.

http://www.critique.org/turkeycity.html

Jennifer said...

You can also send a chapter to www.IWillRead10Pages.com, as long as you are willing to have both the original and the critique posted. Email me for more info.

Robert Billing said...

I suggest ForwardMotion as well. I'm one of the FM moderators, and what I suggest you do is become a member, give as well as expect critique and take part in the discussions.. That way you'll get a lot more out of it.

ordinary woman said...

QUOTE:
The Internet Writer's Workshop has a critique list for Novels. Good people there. http://www.internetwritingworkshop.com/

Yes. I agree. I used to belong to the IWW Novels list and now belong to a couple other IWW groups instead. I think you'll get good feedback there.

dcrre said...

www.thenextbigwriter.com
You can post as much or as little of your novel - also short stories and poetry - and as long as you are willing to crit ohter people's stuff, they'll critique yours. Mostly just amateurs like yourself, but generally a consensus builds.



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WinterRose said...

openchannel: That's totally me, right there! *raises hand in guilt*

Kristine N said...

You might also check out which specializes in science fiction and fantasy writing. You have to do 6 critiques of other works before you can submit, but people tend to be very honest in their reactions.

Heather B. Moore said...

Precision Editing Group will do an evaluation on your first 30 pages for free. Or they'll do a content & line edit on the first 10 pages. Free also. www.PrecisionEditingGroup.com

Anonymous said...

I can't recommend Critique Circle enough. It's a fantastic site.